Take a Chance [Please :) ]

[Thayer Jaime Gallager-Hart]

Again I get what you mean but I don't want to rush things with my character, when you rush things, you end up being stuck. Like Thayer, you can say what you want, I love his development, I love how he has evolved and what he's becoming. Thayer is my constant character, I see me going way more further with it, I see me doing more with him but again it's all about taking the character one step at a time.

Season 1: Thayer was in search, he's looking for his mother, he's learning about all the supernatural world out there. He was impulsive, he was doing stuff without thinking about it and just doing things.

Season 2: He finds out about his mother, he questions himself, he learns about his abilities, he learns to control himself, he grows into what he assumed his mother wanted.

Season 3: Is practically the final chapter in Thayer's book of him and his mother, now he's where she wanted him to be but now it's time for him to do the actual work and vengense and in the end (as I have planned) realizing Vengeance might not be what he wanted and he turns his back on Hart Enterpises and all, which leading to Season 4 him finding himself.

That's character developmet, that's making your character develope and really building a history and carrying him through different transitions. I'm actually impressed how I managed to develope it so well (though I gotta thank Moosh for really complimenting that well and actually helped me put it together)

Cassie was a hit, i honestly could care less if no one wanted to RP with her, (lucky for me, I found 2 people who were HUGE fans of hers and really liked the idea of her character) but I wanted to kill her off this season with a bang but I'm just going to drop her. Nobody liked her direction from the get go, nobody's gonna like her now. She was complexed, she was fun but it's just not getting anywhere anymore.

I don't think you guys realize this but you all pretty much have yourself tight knit thing going on, you guys already have your ideas going around and you guys get overly excited of each other's PB's and can't wait to work with them, I just go though the motions here basically and try to see what I understand. Nobody is approaching me for ideas and when I do, i either get "I don't like it, I had this in mind for my character" (which is code for no i got better things going on) or well I haven't tried anything else really.

Which is another thing, I'm working on limited resources here, All i've got to my credit is Lost Girl, Being Human (UK) and True Blood (which nobody here watches)

I'ds ay Merlin, Sinbad, Alphas and Misfits but those are more the superhero direction.

I don't watch The Vampire Diaries, I don't watch the secret Circle, I don't watch Buffy, Angel, Teen Wolf, Supernatural, Dollhouse, Nikita and anything in that teenage/female demographic so whenever you compare stuff i'm pretty much out of the loop and not sure what you mean so I'm working with limited sources here, I can only do what I know and clearly i don't know much.

I try, i seriously do, but I can't spread myself all over the place, have my character RP all over the place directionless, it's pointless, it doesn't make sense to me story wise because it's just doing random stuff and I don't do well with random.

Also the lack of interest in my characters and how I handle them doesn't help either. I know my characters aren't that interesting, I know I don't RP all over the place, but If nobody seems interested then I won't be either because seemingly my characters all come off as boring and pointless, which is the feeling i get.

I'm just frustrated by tha fact that I have to run behind people to work with me, It's an annoying feeling, it's a rather frustrating feeling. Not that everyone should be running to me, but literally nobody is coming to me and asking me "hey, where are you going exactly with ...... I think i might have something fun in mind" I do that, i try that, out of every 10 ideas i get maybe 2 yeses, which is a great feeling honestly because i'm getting somewhere, but the fact that I'm 0-10 in anyone interested in wanting to do anything with my characters since season 3 started, is a frustrating feeling and is the reason why I am where I am now, because I'm tired of approaching and tired of being the one bringing forward ideas. Call it arrogant, not bothered but it's still an annoying feeling.

[Marina Anne Sinclaire]

I get the frustration you are feeling I really do. All writers go through it at various points. That being said its a good sign because its a sign of growth actually. A lot of writing is throwing things out and seeing what sticks. That's what I do anyway. The reason I get more hits than misses is after 20 years I have a feel for what a person might want to do.

Re Thayer : I'm glad to see there is an end goal for him. I think that part of the trouble a lot of folks had was that they couldn't see where he was going to know how to fit into his story or if they could. There are flaws with Thayer to be sure but they are more back story than anything. But then we all have those. Rp kind of makes it happen no matter how hard we try.

Re Cassie. I get wanting to drop a character that has bad associations and understand. I'm glad you liked her and other people liked her. My dislike of her is based on my dislike of stalkers. (I've had one in real life) when I make mine I make them villians for people to stab repeatedly but thats me and I digress...

Re Mandy I think we can make things work for her but its going to be tricky. There is a fine line between comedy and the absurd. I've got some cute ideas of Natasha hiding the mission camera views when Mandy shows up behind her.

Something like:

"Nat! Where are you?? WE need you to give us some data here the wolf pack is getting ugly."

Nat Sits in front of computer, "Don't mind that. Just a biker trying to skype me, Mandy. Hey can you get me some fruit? I'm totally famished."

"Come on Nat! We're desperate get on the com!!"

"See? Horny bikers, About that fruit...?"

Anyway something like that maybe? Just tossing it out there.

Re close knit I don't know how to fix that one I'm afraid. It just takes time. I know I'm still trying to come up with ideas for you and maybe Adam and Brea can come up with something. I mean your idea with Thayer didn't work but maybe something with one of his other charas or something? I mean I can't speak for other folks but it might work. As for not having seen as much as the rest of us...don't be afraid to ask if you have questions. I'm a librarian its my job to answer questions. Even if its just pointing you to the Vampire Diaries wiki or Buffy wiki for ideas. Even I ask for help with things. I know it doesn't seem like it but that's because you don't see me on chatango with folks kicking things back and forth. That is the other option. Get on chatango and bug someone from BT. Chew the fat and see what happens. I know it doesn't seem like it will go anywhere but that's WHY our group is so close. We talk about everything. Life, characters, plots ect ect it goes on and on.

The point is we are here for ya, Kev and I may be a pushy biatch but its because you ARE a good writer and I wanna see you get better.

[Thayer Jaime Gallager-Hart]

That's the thing, I'm exhausted, I'm tired, I've approached, I've approached, and I'm tired. Everything i've done, I've come up with, i've approached people, I went to people I bugged people because nobody was bugging me. So I needed to get my foot out there...and now I'm drained.

I'm not asking everyone to be my next best friend, but you all could approach me too, I don't bite, i don't eat people. I'm not one to be a follow, begging to be anyones friend or desperate to befriend everyone, but i do so because it's part of being social, but i can only do so much, it's a two way street, if i've done all i could....it's all I can do, it takes effort from the other end as well. and that's why plot wise and social wise i've basically just stopped because it felt i was the only one putting effort into it. So now i'm tired and just going through the motion of everything basically.

[Marina Anne Sinclaire]

Well we've just had some new blood in the group so you never know. I like the Lily/JP idea and we had the Thayer/Cruise thing as a possibility. Maybe Mandy could help Nat out of her self absorbed shell? Just tossing it out there.

I'm still willing to rp we just have to find something that works.

[Thayer Jaime Gallager-Hart]

I guess so, i guess so, can't say I'm excited and all.

[Axel Hayden Evans]

For starters, chillax on the word counts, this is plotting not creative writing hahaha.

It does happen, we just lose interest from times to times. When this happens to me, I ask myself, 'why am I losing interest in them?' because the truth is, if your losing interest in them, everyone else will be as well. You just need to find that spark which can ignite their character development.

Thayer at the moment is boring me. And its not because his a bad character or anything, its just because he hasn't done that big thing which makes him relevant and cool. His just going through the motions, like Noah was last season. I get it, Emery was his main muse, but just adapt and find another. I like where you have Thayer headed in Season 4, but he has to get there first

[Thayer Jaime Gallager-Hart]

The problem with Thayer is, he doesn't have this sidekick, this person to do evil doing for him. There are so many characters but there is a limited amount of bad guys, tried approaching for Samael but that wasn't going to work. and none of Adam's other bad characters really mesh with Thayer, there isn't another character either who shares the same sentiment of getting revenge or getting the brothers, thus Thayer is a lone bad guy wanting the brothers and the witches involved in Selena's death to join him. Plus all of those have their own thing going on so there is a disconnect between everyone.

That seems to be the big disconnect in it all honestly and why it isn't working. Portraying him as this chicken-shit bad guy who is hiring other bad guys to do his evil work was kind of the whole idea of it all. But there aren't other bad guys, those involved in Selena's death all have their own thing going on so there just isn't the connection to make it work.

I haven't lost interest at all, I just don't know where, what or how to go. I'm not really aware of all that is going on and then just trying to find a place where i fit it, but it's hard because everyone kind of have their own things in mind and it''s just not getting there for me.

[Axel Hayden Evans]

Kyra is lost as well, he could become involved with her- she could be his first target or something.

[Lily Rae Collins]

Well I think Thayer would be cool if he actually did his own thing with his own hands. I think that is part of the problem with how people see him. He doesn't own his own mistakes. He doesn't deal with his own problems. Maybe that is what you intended but the "chicken shit" bad guy NEVER lasts beyond 3 episodes before someone kills him out of annoyance.

So maybe, frustrated that he is getting no respect he steps up and does something. A good villian is able to control people from a distance but isn't afraid to wade in and kick your ass. At least imo. I think he should totally play Kyra with the who fake "I've turned over a new leaf baby I'm goin good like you." and then WHAM kick her ass when she least expects it.

[Thayer Jaime Gallager-Hart]

uuhhhmmm last I remember all super villians had henchman who did their stuff and they always got away? Maybe I'm wrong but that's HOW it works, you're supposed to grow annoyed by the chicken-shit bad guy because he never gets caught, it's the whole purpose of it.

There is a whole Game of Thrones society that wants Joffrey Dead but there is....2 seasons later...Still giving me stress because that bastard just won't freaking DIE!!! So i don't agree with that Mari.

[Lily Rae Collins]

Difference of opinion then. Not all badguys are chicken shits. To quoteBen Bova

"In the real world there are no villains. No one actually sets out to do evil. Fiction mirrors life. Or, more accurately, fiction serves as a lens to focus what we know of life and bring its realities into sharper, clearer understanding for us. There are no villains cackling and rubbing their hands in glee as they contemplate their evil deeds. There are only people with problems, struggling to solve them."

You are playing ONE type of villian Kev. If it works for you that is great but if it doesn't work for anyone else you have 2 choices. 1. Change it up. 2. Get rid of the character.

What you do is up to you. I am not getting into one of your debates. I gave you my advice. If you don't like it its all good but don't look to me to help any more. I don't think you and I see things the same.

[Thayer Jaime Gallager-Hart]

Ahhh well then I'm done, just dropping them all because no one will, want or can work with them anyways.

[Lily Rae Collins]

I'm not saying drop them. I mean heck just cause my ideas blow chunks doesn't mean ya have to quit. I'm just not the good idea person for ya. No ones fault just how it is.

[Thayer Jaime Gallager-Hart]

Nah I'm dropping them all, it's not because your ideas "blow chunks", it's because I'm tired of feeling like I'm the only one making effort to include myself into anything.

I'm going to be honest, I feel none of my characters are liked, no one wants to work on my characters and nobody is making any effort to do so either. I'm the only one going to people for ideas and nobody's coming to me. If my characters are that bad, I'm that bad of a person to plot with then i feel i might just do the best thing and just drop them all, none are important assets or wanted assets to the site anyways, none clearly made any impact to anyone that they want to be involved with them , so if they were deleted it wouldn't make much difference at all.

So it's either role play with myself or drop them and right now that latter looks like a much better choice.